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Podcast |If you talk, the same thing will happen to you |The mail

Podcast |If you talk, the same thing will happen to you |The mail

Narrator eight out of ten Spaniards have a smartphone.

Lorenzo Martínez is the Swiss knife of any person.

Narrator Lorenzo Martínez is an computer engineer from the University of Deusto and Forensic Expert.

Lorenzo Martínez usually the forensic we call a cloning or an image.

Narrator is increasingly difficult to access a foreign phone.But it is still possible.

Lorenzo Martínez When we do a hard drive, okay, we take out a hard drive, a computer, we put it in a team...

Narrator Lorenzo has a security company and collaborates with the Civil Guard in crime investigation.

Lorenzo Martínez we get a file that contains exactly the same information as the original hard drive.

Narrator but it is not the same to clone a computer as a mobile phone.

Lorenzo Martínez We have to do is connect it to a tool, a system, to a specific equipment to do forensic analysis and interact with the mobile phone.

Narrator security is increasingly iron.But even the most modern terminals have their weak points.

Lorenzo Martínez when the device has the Jailbreak, okay.That is, it has previously been manipulated to install non -legitimate applications or to be able to do other things with the equipment.

Narrator This type of applications open a window to cloning, open the door to a universe of information.

Lorenzo Martínez to be able to know that at a certain moment, you were writing a WhatsApp, and when sending it, the phone rang, for 25 minutes talking between all that came to you an SMS.You also activated GPS...

Narrator reveals what you say, what are you doing, where are you going...

Hugo Prieto The study of communications in an investigation is something essential for all police officers.

Narrator Hugo Prieto is the head of the area of crimes against the people of the Central Section of Criminal Investigation of the Ertzaintza.

Hugo Prieto today, in addition to listening to the conversations, we can also know what repeater the phone has connected.What will give us a positioning.

Narrator so, if you are a criminal, this information can give you.

Know where you were.And when.In every moment.That is key.

Pedro Nievase's mobile phone made a double -edged sword weapon.It was the tool that allowed him, we already know it, discover Katia's infidelity when he recorded the conversation between his wife and his lover with the mobile.But the cloning of its device was also the key that allowed the Civil Guard to confirm its suspicions.

The biter bit.

The two deaths of Javier Ardines.Episode 9: If you talk, the same thing will happen to you

Narrator just over two kilometers is the sea.

In the forest, this Thursday, August 16, 2018, at quarter past six in the morning the sky is cloudy and the thermometer marks 17 degrees.Djilaali and Maamar are waiting crouched behind a stone wall next to the house of councilor Javier Ardines, in Belmonte de Pria, Llanes.Attentive, pending everything.They have studied the land.They have a commission and this time they do not want to fail.

Djilali, small and nervous, carries an Athletic Bilbao tracksuit.Maamar, corpulent, also wears sportswear.The two are hidden with hoods.MAAMAR is armed with a baseball bat and a pepper spray.Djilali, with a club and another spray.

They listen to how the engine of the Citroen Berlingo de Ardines starts.This time they have placed three yellow fences to cut off.This time they can't escape.

Judge when he got out of the vehicle, what happened?

Djilali we have put the fences like this lying.

This is Djilaali Benatia, one of the two hitmen supposedly hired by Nieva to take revenge on Ardines.He is in court, in front of the judge and confesses how they attacked the councilor of Llanes.It was his second attempt.The first time, we have already told it, Ardines dodged the fence without getting off the car.

Djilali and behind the fences there was a land, a terrain with a wall and a large door, a small wall like that, and we have been there.

Narrator from there, behind the wall, watch Ardines.It is a Dejavu.The first time was fought.But this time comes off the car.And they see it.Wear pirate pants, t -shirt with Celtic drawings and sandals with rubber sole so as not to slip on the surface of the ship that awaits you to go for a laundo.We know that, but they don't care.What they set is that Ardines leaves the engine on and the door open.

Judge then carried the sprays and the stick and the baseball bat.Yes.

Djilali then we are hidden here.And he was there, parked at the door.

Ardines narrator withdraws the first fence.When approaching the second, the two men are launched by him.Djilali spray him with the spray, although he fails to hit him on his face.

Djilali I went to throw the spray at that time.And the spray did not go well.Fell to the ground and after me.Then behind me came Maamar.

Ardines narrator takes a fence to protect himself, but he throws it quickly.

Djilali then when he saw the second coming, he threw the fence.

Ardines narrator ...

Djilali ran.He has said relief.Once he ran.I went behind him.

Djilali the deceased lord ran more than me.More more.

Narrator however, the councilor falls to the ground.It is just 100 meters from the door of your home, the safest site for anyone.But now it is in danger of death.According to Djilali, Ardines shouts, he asks for help.But nobody listens.Then, they hit him on the back.

Djilali the Lord fell to lead, as fainted or without knowledge.Everything fell like that.Bufff.

Narrator all this happened on the road that crosses the meadow, the forest and takes to the home of Javier Ardines, located only 125 meters from the snow house of the Nieva.

That dawn of August 16, 2018.

Podcast | Si hablas, te va a pasar lo mismo | El Correo

Now we are in a judicial office, in Llanes, on February 21, 2019.It is a confession and we are telling it from the Djilaali Benatia statement.The man is very nervous.The agents of the Central Operational Unit in charge of the investigation sit behind him.Djilali is handcuffed, but not to gesture.And to speak.His confession before the judge is clearly self -exculpatory and full of contradictions.

Djilali was going to leave and I have seen Maamar taking his right arm.

Maamar narrator, Maamar Kelli is the other hitman.We don't have his voice because at the time of arrests, he was imprisoned in Switzerland.Let's stay with Djilaali ...

I have said it.Come on, let's go.Come on, let's go.And he looked at me and has not listened to me and I pyed myself, I keep running.

Judge for what?Take your right arm.

Djilali then that.Then he told me that he wanted to see if he breathed deep.

Narrator, that is, that according to Djilali, his friend responsible for death was his friend.But what counts does not fit the autopsy data.

Judge Do you know that Francisco Javier Ardines died asphyxiated?

Djilali did not know the honor.

Informative sound early in the morning Javier Ardines left his house by car to the port.

Narrator let's come back, again, on that day of August.We already know that it was a neighbor who found the body and then the daughter of Javier Ardines who warned the Civil Guard.Agents get to work that morning.The first thing is to examine the crime scene.Theft is discarded.In Ardines' car a wallet appears with 150 euros.Then "you can appreciate" in the victim "signs of extreme violence".Yes...This is how the Civil Guard's crowds are written.According to the autopsy, it presents “bruising wounds on the left side of the upper and lower lips”.Let's go to the broken mouth of Ardines...

Rafa Alcaraz lips lesions are a burst that is caused in direct aggression.

Narrator the coroner Rafael Alcaraz practiced more than 4.000 Autopsies while he was active and participated in dozens of crime investigations in the Forensic Anatomical of Bilbao, including much of ETA's committed in Bizkaia.

Rafa Alcaraz I would give as the main cause of death, the craniocerebral trauma to dry, without more that it is a complete fracture on a side or fracture of the base of the irradiated skull, including the two ocular graves, including the rock, including an ear,That is why he was bleeding for an ear and with subdural and subarainoid hemorrhage, in addition to a cerebral edema.

Narrator seems that, as stated in the investigations, the hitmen did not settle for hitting him with a baseball bat when he was already badly injured on the ground.The autopsy concludes that there is a double cause of death: cranial fracture and suffocation.

Rafa Alcaraz One of the mechanisms that forensics argue in the cause of death is strangulation.To handle a subject and strangle it, you have to have, you have to be much stronger than him.

Narrator, let's listen, how a man is killed.The murderer squeezes his neck with his arm to suffocate him.That is not easy.

Rafa Alcaraz with the UVE that forms between the forearm and the arm, that one that forms, you enter the neck there, what you are doing is squeeze, compress.What do you compress?What is on the sides, which are vasculonervious, carotid, jugular and pneumogastric nerve on both sides.

Narrator the body collapses.Djilali and Maamar leave Ardines wounded to death and flee.They return home.Along the way, a traffic chamber places them at 8ther quarter in the morning arriving in Bilbao.And, inside, in the car, the concern increases.Or that remembers Djilaali.

Djilali then Maamar all the way began by saying fuck, uncle, hopefully live.I am afraid that something happens and such.And that could take him to a hospital.

Judge Was Maamar worried?

Djilali no, because I thought it is only fainted and already.Then, when we almost arrived in Bilbao because I worry a little too.And then when he went home.I in my house.Well, I thought that.That nothing has happened, which has been passed out and is already.Until the news has seen.

Informative sound an argument could be the cause of Javier Ardines' death...

Narrator bone that, according to his statement, they learned by the media.It is not nonsense: it is a way of saying that they did not know that they had killed him.

The hitmen are scared.Maamar sends a message to his partner.Says textually, "the Lord is not".They have ended with ardines.

Djilali we have not thrown clothes until we have seen that he has died.

Narrator The first thing Djilaali and Maamar do is get rid of clothes.They throw it to a container in the Otxarkoaga neighborhood.And they decide a rhythm change: they want more money for work.

Djilali then when we have seen that the Lord has died we have spoken and maamar because as the things are already done.And we want to ask for more money.

Narrator have to find who recruited them.To the link: Jesús Muguruza.

Judge and how much did they ask?

Djilali I asked for 30.000 euros.

Djilaali and Muguruza narrator come together days later.For exchange.

Djilali has brought me Jesus 20mil.And Jesus told me that the money is collected by all of him and his family.Because he told me that Peter has come to the burn of the Lord here and has seen the police.The OCU was shit, who couldn't even talk to him.

Narrator will then return to that, to the Central Operational Unit of the Civil Guard, the UCO ... and to Pedro.At the moment, Jesús Muguruza pays him and warns him not to open his mouth.Of course, always, according to Djilali.

Djilali already threatened Jesus.When he gave me the money.He told me, you know, he told me.If you talk, the same is going to happen to him.That is, he told me you know what Pedro is like.

Judge What is Pedro?

Djilali he told me that, he told me you know how it is, if you are going to talk, the same thing is going to happen to you as the other.

Narrator, indeed, sounds threat.It's a threat.So the best..., it is best to put land in between.And two days later, on August 18, Djilali himself takes Maamar to Barcelona, to the Prat Airport to take a flight to Algeria.MAAMAR disappears from the scene.

Maamar makes two trips to Algeria several weeks.After Christmas it flies to Switzerland.Muguruza goes on vacation with his family to Malaga.

Djilaali hidden, in his neighborhood.

And snow?Where is Nieva?

[Train sound]

Narrator while Llanes boils, with the news that moves as an electric shock, with the Civil Guard and the people and the whole country barruing a political crime, in Amorebieta the calm is breathed, as if nothing had happened.

Josu García during the night of the crime, on August 16, Pedro Nieva is at his home in Zubipunte, only.

Narrator Josu García is a journalist of ‘El Correo’.

Josu García and this is ... surprising: the last activity recorded by his mobile is at 2:30 in the morning.It does not use it again until 9 in the morning.He does it to send a WhatsApp to Katia, who is in Llanes.He asks for the woman's phone that cleans the house.

[WhatsApp sound]

Narrator in mid -morning, Katia tells her husband that Ardines has appeared dead.

Katia has a blow to the head.

Narrator and snow...

Nueva, is anything else known?

Katia seems to have done something.Pedro, what have you done?

I snow I have not done anything.I swear.

Narrator facing outside the couple formed by Pedro Nieva and Katia Blanco may seem the same.But from that morning, from those messages, an inner hell begins: under the same roof, for months, the alleged inductor of the crime and the lover of the murdered coexist.Do you feel guilty?Does she suspect her?The coroner specialized in psychiatry Guillermo Portero explains how you can live with a secret like this.

Guillermo Portero How is it managed?Well, it depends on the personality you have.If it is an emotional personality, if it is a dependent personality, they have to badly manage it.If it is a cold, calculating personality, little empathic, it is allowed to impregnate little by emotions.Well, relatively well, right?

Narrator Pedro's relationship and Katia plummeted.

Josu García even with dead ardines, Nieva's obsession continues.The distrust.The trail of jealousy.On November 8, three months after the murder, Nieva asks Telefónica for the calls that Katia made in August.

Narrator the journalist Josu García de ‘El Correo’ has followed that trail, the distancing of the couple.

Josu García in the listenings that are collected in the judicial summary show that the relationship is about to break at that time.Katia goes to a job interview so as not to have to depend economically on her husband.

Narrator is what the Civil Guard calls, and this is textual, "economic submission".

Josu Garcia to his sister Begoña tells him: "I can't take it anymore, I will sink into misery, but this can no longer be" ".

Narrator And what does Nieva do then?

Josu Garcia lies are constant.In the listenings that are in the summary it is recorded that it maintains several clashes with Katia because it arrives home drunk and at the time of the morning.His wife even accuses him of having shattered a shirt and that he has hit the dog.

Narrator before it was already clear, but now it is obvious: Ardines was not the problem.It never was...

While Nieva and Katia are in full couple crisis, the Civil Guard narrows the fence on the electrician.At the beginning of October 2018, thanks to the analysis of the repeaters, the researchers already know that Nieva moved to Llanes on July 27 with - says the summary - "imperative need and for no apparent reason".Recall: the preparatory trip in which Pedro was going to teach one of the hitmen how to get to Llanes, departure 312, where Ardines lived, where he went by car ...

They also discover that another number (which turned out to be that of Jesús Muguruza) made that same journey.Pulling the thread, it was learned that they had crossed communications that morning and could be identified.

On October 24, 2018, that moment occurs in which all secrets are uncovered.The Civil Guard achieves the Sesame's Ábrete from the Cave of Mysteries of Nieva.Attention.

David Olabarrithat day Nieva takes Bilbao, to the Txesmika store, his iPhone X to repair.Mysteriously, your phone, 800 euros, recently out of the market, has broken down.Chance?Did they break it from the outside?

Lorenzo Martínez, what do you tell me is to force someone to break the phone so that it has to take it to repair?

Narrator Lorenzo Martínez, the computer engineer.

Lorenzo Martínez Yo no soy conocedor de ello, ¿pero es viable?Yes es viable.

Narrator so ... the police could have done it ...

Lorenzo Martínez is commented, it is rumored that they buy mechanisms not known by manufacturers to be able to do according to what type of thing.

Narrator, that is, the Civil Guard watches Pedro.They are followed when he leaves his house, when he arrives at the establishment.

David Olabarriand in a matter of hours, the agents get a court order and are presented in the store.

Narrator is David Olabarri, journalist of ‘El Correo’, who explains it.

David Olabarrithe managers resist giving it to it for a matter of privacy.

Narrator but after order, they have no choice...

David the agents take the phone at eleven in the morning and at half past one they return it without a trace.

Narrator in just over two hours, clon the mobile.The data, the locations, their searches, their photos, their conversations ... now absolutely everything is within their reach.

David OlabarriNieva collects the phone days later.Of course, without knowing anything.But at that time, although he still does not know, he is already sentenced.

Narrator Meanwhile, on November 16, the Civil Guard shows its letters and begins to press Nieva.Take advantage of the fact that the suspect has to go to the Court of Llanes for the conflict with Vïctor, his exciting, to interrogate Katia for the second time.She declares for 8 hours in a row.Eight hours.The agents openly tell her that they believe that her husband is responsible for the death of Ardines.

Ainhoa de las Heras a few days before, the police had hidden microphones at the Audi.So while they return from Llanes to Bilbao, Katia and Pedro speak.They speak a lot: they are two hours of travel ... and, while, the Civil Guard listens.

Narrator Ainhoa de las Heras is the editor of ‘El Correo’.And everything counts is in the summary.They are police listening.

Ainhoa de las Heras Katia enters crying in the car.He says: "You can look for a good lawyer".The guards still do not want to touch him.It will be his final asset.

Narrator How does Pedro react?

Ainhoa de las Heras Nieva continues to refuse everything.

Narrator because his wife has just told him that the Civil Guard suspects that he is the murderer of Javier Ardines.

Ainhoa de las Heras and from there he trusts Katia again, probably because he has not betrayed him.Two days later, as a sample of confidence, remove the GPS put in his wife's car.And they learn that they shouldn't speak by phone.Telephone listeners die.

Narrator when feeling in the Diana of the Civil Guard, the nerves of Pedro Nieva are in leather.A call from Antena 3 journalist, Sofía Jiménez, to try to interview him, makes it clear.The reporter does not know that Nieva is now the main suspect.She is informing about Ardines, about her personality.Just look for a vision about the deceased.

Journalist: Hello, how are you?Buenas tardes.I called to see if I could talk to Pedro or Katia.

Pedro:Yes, soy Pedro.

Journalist: Hi, Pedro.Look, how are you?I am from the Antena 3 Public Mirror program and I called because I had told me that you and Katia were very friends with Javier Ardines.

Pedro: mmm...

Journalist: am I right?

Pedro:Yes, pero bueno… Si no te importa, te llamo yo luego.

Journalist: huh ... it was simply to ask how long you saw him or how is the family, if you could tell me a little.

Pedro: I call you later.

Journalist: Come, thank you, Pedro.Bye.

[End of the call]

Narrator the events rush.

Jesús Muguruza, the intermediary who contacted Nieva with the hitmen, also has to declare.Recall: his mobile was in the triangulation that the Civil Guard made during the first trip, the recognition.Declares, as a witness, on December 10, 2018.Seven hours.

Jesús Mendiguren were seven hours of terrible pressure in the sense that you have been.You have to say this.

Narrator Luis Mendiguren, Jesús Muguruza's lawyer.

Jesús Mendiguren when someone says things that can incriminate him.There is very wide jurisprudence.

Narrator and ask that this statement be annulled.Because he understands that he appears as investigated and not as a witness.

Jesús Mendiguren must immediately stop the statement.Call a lawyer or his trust that would be ideal.

Narrator and that, in the interrogation, at some point in those seven hours, Jesús Muguruza reveals that he rejected a proposal of his ‘boss’, that is to Pedro Nieva, to beat his wife's lover, Javier Ardines.And that fact was decisive to get to Djilali and Maamar.

And snow?The Civil Guard also reaches him, but this time for drugs.At the moment it is only for drugs...

Do we return to Teza Lastras, the town of the wild boars?

Pedro is stopped on December 12, 2019 for the marijuana plantation that he had installed in that hamlet ... is released and, although the listeners continue, all (Peter, Jesus, even Maamar) feel guarded.They speak less on the phone, they are more cautious...On February 1, 2019, the Police ends the study of Nieva's mobile and ...

David Olabarri...Find an information ocean.

Narrator David Olabarri.What secrets did Pedro Nieva keep in there?

David OlabarriCientos de aplicaciones: 622, exactamente.Two of them are to follow the GPS devices installed in vehicles such as Katia.Another recordings and one of encrypted messaging.

Narrator anything else?

David OlabarriYes.More than 40.000 saved images and more than 35.000 wasaps, better, being precise, 35.716 Wasaps with juicy information.

Narrator Is it decisive for the resolution of the case?

David OlabarriDesde luego.It is information that definitively reinforces the investigation developed by the Civil Guard.Thus, suspicions are transformed into certainties.

Narrator is worth.We will tell it in the next episode.At the moment: on February 19, 2019, six months have passed since the crime.At last, at six in the morning, agents of the Civil Guard Fast Action Group are about to tear three doors:

Djilali Benatia.

Jesus Muguruza.

And Pedro Nieva's.

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